Things That Go Bump In The Night
Friend: do you know how I love linguistics
Dodo: how could anyone love linguistics
Dodo: its the biggest mistake I’ve ever made
Dodo: I wish I’d chosen literature
Friend: even though I haven't studied it formally
Friend: I find it so exciting
Friend: language is so powerful
Friend: and more often than not underestimated
Friend: I would have loved to study Semitic linguistics
Dodo: yeah there are some interesting classes
Dodo: very rare classes
Dodo: it all depends on the professor
Friend: when I look at a language I see a puzzle irresistible to solve
Dodo: more like impossible
Dodo: there are so many aspects to language
Friend: exactly
Dodo: you wouldn’t even know where to start
Friend: there's so much to look at
Dodo: I still prefer literature
Friend: literature is nice too
Dodo: maybe if I’d majored in that I would've been more decent at writing
Friend: I don't think it can manufacture ideas for you
Dodo: it can help me organize whatever buried ideas I might have and bring them out of whatever abyss they're lost in
Friend: organize, sure
Friend: but bringing ideas out
Friend: wallah madri
Dodo: it might've stimulated something
Friend: you need an inspiration
Dodo: yes!!!!
Dodo: and literature does that
Friend: not necessarily a course or two
Friend: just try to read high-end poetic works on your own
Friend: that should teach you enough
Friend: or get you going
Dodo: high end? all we have available around here is trash like the Da Vinci Code
Friend: you know I still haven't read that
Friend: 3naad!
Dodo: me neither; and I don’t want to
Dodo: exactly
Friend: az3ajouna bah hal 3alam
Dodo: it's waaaay too mainstream; like the coffee shop phenomena
Dodo: I don’t want anything to do with it
Friend: they're going to start selling it in vending machines
Dodo: I need to get my hands on the really juicy stuff like Selman Rushdi's Satanic Verses or something
Dodo: that would make my day
Friend: I thought of getting that a while ago.. laken 6a7 3azmy
Dodo: why
Friend: madri anshe'3alt b omour thanyah
Dodo: you're in KSA aren’t you?
Friend: no
Dodo: I was wondering how you could get that into the country
Friend: lao a6eer w awagge3 ma legeit hal ktab b KSA
Dodo: a friend of mine tried to bring Ali G's gospel to KSA
Dodo: serious flop
Friend: mn Ali G.?
Dodo: he’s a Pakistani Brit
Dodo: got a comedy show
Friend: oh I see
Dodo: makes fun of everyone and everything
Dodo: he wrote his own version of the Bible
Dodo: really funny
Friend: mhaboul
Dodo: yeah... have you seen Madonna’s 'music makes the people come together' music video?
Dodo: the one where she’s wearing a cowboy hat and sitting in a limo
Friend: unfortunately I'm not so updated with pop/mainstream culture
Dodo: he was just featured on it that’s all
Friend: aha
Friend: Ali G
Friend: I'll remember that
Dodo: and what’s even more funny about him
Dodo: is that he’s got a reeeeeeeeally heavy British accent
Dodo: you can hardly understand anything he says
Dodo: but he dresses up like gangster-wannabe's
Dodo: the bling and Fubu clothes and baggy pants
Dodo: so he looks really pathetic
Friend: eeh a'3lab al hnoud bel UK ketha
Friend: laken what can you do
Friend: I say it's become the minorities' culture
Dodo: what is?
Friend: and more than that in some cases
Friend: the 'gangster' state of mind
Dodo: its spastic
Friend: a culture of the minorities
Dodo: there’s this guy who hangs out in Virgin
Dodo: like 24/7
Dodo: every time I go to Virgin ashoof 5ishita
Dodo: he dresses up EXACTLY like Tupac
Dodo: the same chains
Dodo: the same hair
Dodo: the same clothes
Dodo: all the way to the bandana thingy on his head
Dodo: sooooooo sa5eef
Friend: this is what happens when you have a culture void
Dodo: its like these guys don’t have an identity of their own
Friend: yes
Friend: it's disappointing really
Dodo: its sad
Friend: since the middle east was the cradle of some of the greatest civilizations
Dodo: they think its cool; its just downright lame
Friend: in time
Friend: ya Dodo; wallah maneb aloomhom
Friend: msakeen
Friend: faraa'3!
Dodo: faraa'3.. so what
Friend: aimless life
Dodo: don’t they have brains to think with?
Dodo: inah.. oh my life is so pointless.. let me do something constructive with it?
Friend: it's got much to do with the nurturing scheme to which they've been subjected
Dodo: they're walking talking zombies I swear to God
Friend: a scheme that pretty much paralyzes any intellectual process
Dodo: paralyzes? it's non-existent
Friend: 7araam
Dodo: but the majority are infected; cant help but wonder if its ME who’s got the problem and not them
Friend: everyone's a product of their individual experiences, subjected to personal dispositions, nurture and the surrounding environment
Dodo: true; so why did all those people end up being the same mechanical robots?
Dodo: their mentalities are so similar
Friend: imagine the different possibilities in each of these factors
Dodo: did they all go through the same brainwashing system?
Friend: yes
Friend: pretty much
Dodo: shlon pretty much if everyone is subjected to different things 3la goltik
Dodo: why did it all boil down to the same result
Friend: I was referring to your probably different experience
Friend: but the persons you are referring to have states of mind that are sadly products of much greater 'policies'
Dodo: this is on the verge of turning into a political debate; I don’t want to go there
Friend: you may be lucky enough to realize it
Friend: of course it's inevitable
Dodo: 3arab mako fayda
Dodo: always blame it on politics
Friend: the politics of the Arabs!
Friend: not of anyone else
Friend: Arabs that become rulers from within Arabs
Dodo: aaaaah come on.. at the end of the day everyone’s going to point their fingers at Israel and say it was their fault
Friend: Israel is at fault because it is allowed to
Friend: and only because of that
Friend: it acts as dictated by its inherent role
Friend: I wouldn't expect it to do otherwise
Friend: on the other hand
Dodo: well if I was Israel and I saw a herd of blind sheep, why would I stop myself from manipulating them?
Dodo: its their choice
Dodo: they were willing
Friend: we have options and have consistently chosen the irrational one over time
Dodo: not anyone’s fault that they're such ignorant morons
Friend: exactly
Dodo: Allah ybashrik bil5air
Friend: we talk about a Collective here
Friend: with a shared system of belief
Friend: which has as Sovereign a player which enforces that system of belief
Dodo: enforces?
Dodo: its hardly enforced
Dodo: mn bara allah hallah oo mn da5el ya3lam Allah
Friend: and that is exactly how it's being maintained!
Dodo: honestly you better stop; politics confuse me
Dodo: I’m lost enough as it is
Friend: if you insist
Friend: atsfina ashar
Friend: I tend to sway away from excessive emotion
Friend: it's very distorting
Dodo: emotion makes it personal
Friend: (for the truth)
Friend: yes of course
Dodo: most people have just turned a blind eye to the bitter truth
Friend: some of the truth, of course
Friend: and that too
Dodo: well if you were in Kuwait maybe you'd understand better
Friend: perhaps
Dodo: you don’t understand how severe its gotten
Dodo: the degree of brainwashing is just amazing
Friend: in what sense?
Dodo: in the sense that these people would be better off dead
Dodo: and saving some space, energy and much needed oxygen
Friend: sorry I meant brainwashing
Dodo: oh
Dodo: well
Dodo: people aimlessly cruise malls and streets
Dodo: bdoon hadaf
Dodo: everyone does it
Dodo: they sit in coffee shops glassy eyed
Dodo: probably without a decent thought going through their heads
Friend: a3ooth bellah
Dodo: other than how to nail the next easy target
Friend: ok well to an extent it's the same back home
Friend: what target
Dodo: most likely a member of the opposite sex
Friend: what are we in Amsterdam?
Dodo: no we're in the Middle East where everyone only has one thing on their mind
Dodo: their genitals
Friend: is it the excessive luxury?
Dodo: its the lack of motivation
Dodo: the lack of anything else to do
Dodo: like you said, you cant blame them
Friend: that's painful
Dodo: no one’s providing anything that can stimulate their minds
Dodo: well I don’t think that’s a good excuse
Dodo: they expect things to be presented to them on silver plates
Dodo: instead of going out there and doing something worthwhile
Friend: well it shouldn't be an excuse as much as it should point to the crux of the problem
Dodo: the other day I took my sister out to dinner at a Japanese restaurant
Dodo: and she sat there flipping through the menu
Dodo: then she calls the waiter... 3baly 3indaha salfa
Dodo: she’s like.. shino hatha?
Dodo: and the poor guy just stood there and he’s like
Dodo: he thought she was kidding
Dodo: then hes like.. hatha maay
Dodo: she was asking him what Perrier water is
Dodo: and to make things worse, when she read tonic she asked him.. is tonic the thing they use in the 9alon to make my hair shine?
Dodo: I swear to God I wanted to crawl under the table and die
Dodo: and its not just my sister
Dodo: these people take being air headed to a totally different level
Dodo: a criteria of its own
Friend: wallah as I always have thought about similar problems
Friend: or problems of such scale
Friend: no individual action could attain the desired change
Friend: there must be an external effort, a policy, that must act affirmatively to disentangle what might seem as a social coordination problem
Friend: a social trap
Friend: to push the Collective as a whole
Friend: towards change
Dodo: and that will never happen
Dodo: amal iblees biljanah
Friend: otherwise any interstate transition will eventually culminate in a fruitless end
Friend: ella
Friend: I think it can happen
Friend: 'prioritizing'
Dodo: you're asking for a total upheaval
Friend: certain key areas must start to change
Dodo: a revolution like that will never happen
Friend: not at all
Dodo: the 'forces' would never allow it
Friend: upheavals induce 'destructive' change
Dodo: you want to destroy brainwashing
Dodo: not every destruction is negative
Friend: no positive change can ever be achieved without the Collective's will
Friend: only when society matures enough to realize it's priorities
Dodo: where would politics be without religion as its backbone
Friend: 5allek mn al religion for now
Friend: lets stop blaming it for a bit
Friend: whilst ignoring our more real and tangible problems
Dodo: well the damage as I see it is beyond repair
Dodo: people are comfortable in their numb state of mind
Friend: no damage is beyond repair ya Dodo
Friend: and they will continue to be so!
Friend: until a process of mind-changing is to be expedited
Dodo: and the higher powers are happy that everyone’s contempt and well shut up
Friend: this will not take a period of ten years
Friend: or 50 even
Friend: much more.
Dodo: too bad we wont be around to see it
Dodo: but by then the whole world would've evaporated.. thanks to the likes of that madman in Iran
Dodo: no need for change
Dodo: just blow everything and everyone up
Dodo: arya7
Friend: and start from scratch
Dodo: why bother
Dodo: mashroo3 fashel mn asasah
Dodo: God would be much better off with his dinosaurs and plant kingdoms
Dodo: bala 7anah bala 3awar raas
Friend: this is all for a reason ya Dodo; it is of His absolute fairness that we observe what we do
Friend: the laws of Physics!
Dodo: I’d like to know what the reason is
Dodo: coz right now, Gods plan just seems like a sick, twisted, perverted idea to me
Dodo: something from the Twilight Zone
Friend: if we assume that a Utopia was his original intention then this may be true
Dodo: Utopia?
Dodo: look at where we are now
Friend: well it is not
Dodo: how could His plan have gone so badly wrong?
Friend: exactly!
Dodo: its not a minor deviation!
Dodo: He must’ve wanted it to be this way all along... which makes my belief that God is mad even stronger
Friend: does it even need to be a minor deviation from perfection to qualify as imperfect?
Dodo: any deviation is imperfection
Friend: any deviation is imperfection - correct
Dodo: and all these lunatics are mere reflections of Gods current state
Dodo: which must mean that I and the likes must be reflections of the devil
Friend: can you tell of the intention of Mr. Anton Wong who is maybe right now situated somewhere in Cantonese China?
Dodo: yes Satan defied God
Friend: you are only assuming Dodo
Dodo: I don’t know what anyone’s intention is
Dodo: I’m only trying to make sense of things
Dodo: putting 2 and 2 together
Friend: exactly, and neither will you know of God's, if you maintain a notion of His existence
Dodo: He exists for sure.. but as complete madness
Friend: it's not putting 2 and 2 together at all
Friend: unless you are assuming
Dodo: its an assumption that’s making sense to me
Friend: and building upon it
Friend: well many things might make sense while they have nothing to do with the state of truth
Friend: two things occur at a given time
Friend: does it mean that they both cause one another?
Dodo: not necessarily
Dodo: but you have to collect proof
Dodo: and analyze
Dodo: and think
Dodo: you’re bound to end up with a conclusion
Dodo: which is exactly what I’ve done
Friend: well proof is sufficient
Friend: and it's usually no piece of cake
Friend: proof?
Dodo: the proof is in the people you see every day
Friend: you've maybe proved a correlation
Friend: but not causation
Dodo: madry
Friend: well they're both very different things Dodo
Dodo: anyway I take comfort in knowing that nothing makes sense to me anymore anyways
Dodo: I don’t give a crap anymore
Dodo: let everything burn to hell for all I care
Friend: and that's a totally different thing as well
Friend: assertion on the basis of proof gives you truth
Dodo: are you religious?
Friend: while if one prefers not to be involved and adopt a neutral state
Friend: does not burden them with the liability of truth
Friend: religious in what sense?
Dodo: as in you're not a hypocritical Muslim
Friend: hmmm; I hope I'm not
Dodo: anyways
Dodo: if you end up in heaven and I end up in hell
Dodo: ask God for one tiny favor
Dodo: drag me along and say I was only a confused, lost soul
Friend: I'd rather ask for this favor right now
Friend: as we all get similarly confused at times
Dodo: pass me the opium will you
Friend: the faithful opium isn't it always
Dodo: yes
Dodo: the saints and prophets drug of choice
Friend: the politicians drug
Friend: and lets not go there again
Dodo: well the church has power over most western countries
Dodo: the church IS politics
Friend: had
Dodo: had?
Dodo: no way
Dodo: everyone still listens to the Vatican
Dodo: its like cancer... the silent killer
Friend: and at the same time it's not constitutionally recognized as the SOLE political entity
Dodo: but still it has leverage
Friend: that's a big part of the West's achievement summarized
Friend: the separation of church and state, ONLY WHEN there was a conceivable conflict between the two
Friend: because the Church was indeed a political institution
Dodo: anyway who gives a shit.. tomorrows just another extraordinarily ordinary day in the big master plan
Friend: well you seem to realize very well that we are in a state of 'given'
Dodo: are we?
Friend: I leave you on how you are going to deal with it
Friend: "tomorrows just another extraordinarily ordinary day in the big master plan"
Dodo: will that stop me from going to bed every night with tears in my eyes about how aimless and pointless this life really is?
Friend: wella I misunderstood?
Dodo: we're born, we live, we die
Friend: ok you're struggling
Dodo: how pathetically simple
Friend: and this automatically conveys an element of discontent
Friend: which almost always constitutes the impetus for treatment
Friend: and 'dealing with it'
Dodo: I AM dealing with it
Dodo: its too bad no one approves
Friend: well as long as you are
Friend: I'm sure you'll eventually stumble upon an answer
Dodo: well I sure hope not
Dodo: the answer will probably be more painful that the perpetual dizziness I’m in
Friend: perhaps a temporary detachment or withdrawal will help you regain focus and relieve you from the overwhelmed-ness
Dodo: I haven’t been out of my room for 2 weeks now
Friend: detach from your state of mind
Dodo: locked up like a hermit in my room with nothing but my faithful PC
Friend: don't cause any more complications
Friend: that will make you regain focus
Friend: not just finding solitude in your room
Dodo: sometimes the only way to get an answer is to look for it in the midst of a storm
Friend: closing your door
Friend: well that's good
Dodo: I’ve turned my back on 'the human race' as I know it
Friend: that's even more ambitious
Friend: if you think this is true
Dodo: aaah I’m only ga3da atfalsaf
Dodo: I don’t know what I think or believe anymore
Friend: you shouldn't have this much trouble
Dodo: like I said.. I’m a lost confused little old soul
Dodo: may God have mercy
Friend: it's ok
Friend: just one thing Dodo that will probably do you good as to many
Friend: do not make any unverified assertions in the meantime
Friend: the search for truth requires a true sense of objectivity
Friend: and surely dislikes unverified states of ‘swayness’
Dodo: I’m not going to put all my eggs in one basket
Dodo: swaying is good... I get a little bit of everything
Friend: I hope I am not misunderstanding
Dodo: tiny pieces I need to collect to end up with a final 'bigger picture'
Friend: or I hope I am
Friend: of course
Dodo: 3ady I don’t understand myself
Friend: but settling for a humanly conceivable 'incomplete' picture is our worry
Friend: not to make any premature suppositions
Dodo: I’m willing to accept if it does come down to that
Dodo: maybe it was meant to be incomplete
Friend: well Dodo, one might argue that it is impossible to fully reconstruct the truth otherwise belief won't be what it is
Friend: exactly
Friend: that's why I said humanly conceivable
Friend: meaning that I could physically reconstruct the missing part
Dodo: maybe God wanted it to be open to interpretation
Friend: I would hate to impose my own thoughts or seem as that
Friend: so I shall leave it to you
Dodo: nothing wrong with enlightening me
Friend: I can only enlighten myself - and lucky if I do - since I'm aware of my own deficiencies
Friend: but not of others’
Friend: Allah y6aamenk besmah w yhadeena wyyak
Friend: because it is a serious matter
Dodo: yes it is

2 Comments:
What can I say?
Many words & nothing...
1. I chose literature. But linguistics... it`s perfect too!
2. "I need to get my hands on the really juicy stuff like Selman Rushdi's Satanic Verses or something".
I don`t have words... only emotions. We have problems with this book. Our so called Chamber of Deputies decided that it would be better not to have this book in Russian... after all terracts & so on.
Result:
we have only one his book - "The Moor`s Last Sigh". & I found his 1st novel in journals.
My project is based on "The Moor`s Last Sigh"... it`s a rarity, but I found it, yes :P & I hope that soon we will have his forbidden novel.
3. "at the end of the day everyone’s going to point their fingers at Israel and say it was their fault"
That`s driving me mad!!!
Every time people(moslims or christians or others) pour out all their anger, grudge (etc.) on Jews.
Why?
Because it`s so comfortable to have scapegoat... yes?
4. "will that stop me from going to bed every night with tears in my eyes about how aimless and pointless this life really is?"
"we're born, we live, we die"
You rack your brains... Night after night... & I`m sure, one day you will break your head... & you will get a sweet ticket to the best house.
For mad people.
We can go together.
"I haven’t been out of my room for 2 weeks now".
Big Hi from me, Dodo.
I can go on forever...
I just want to say - I like it very much, Dodo.
Really... May be I will read it also one time... I already read it 1,5 of times :P
Good luck...
Ah, my question... it`s a real talk?
Or may be it`s a talk with yourself.
sever.. i cant believe you actually made it all the way through that.. congratulations! LOL..
although i didnt know that selman rushdi is blacklisted in russia, it honestly doesnt come as much of a surprise. russian policies are very rigid and constricting so yeah, im not surprised. But you could always get access to it online, cant you? or do you have internet censorship too? LOL that would be a little too much.. i dont know..
guuuuuuuurl, maybe we could get a lifetime 'couples' subscription to the looney bin.. we'd get half price or something hehhehheheh!!
actually it wasnt a conversation i had with myself. it was a chat between me and a yahoo buddy and i thought it was kinda interesting
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